Fermentations mobile: Difference between revisions

From Food Hacking Base
Jump to navigation Jump to search
No edit summary
No edit summary
Line 1: Line 1:
This page is dedicated to the project "FermentationMobile" coordinated by [[User:Algoldor|Algoldor]].
This page is dedicated to the project "FermentationMobile" coordinated by [[User:Algoldor|Algoldor]].


I would like to set up mobile fermentation center where we can do experimental fermentation, it could be used as a base for education when on the road and importantly it can also serve as a legal vending point at variety of events and places. I believe that having mobile base which can also legally generate money would help a lot with promoting fermentations long term in sustainable way.
I'm coordinating set up of mobile fermentation center where we can do experimental fermentation, educate people and also it can serve as a legal production and vending point of fermented and other products at variety of events and places. After nearly of decade of brewing around the world I came to conclusion that having mobile base where kvasirs (brewers, fermentors) can do what they love and legally generate money by their activities which they need for their life is fair and sustainable way to promote the fermentation arts&science in long term.
 
===Current Situation===
*20/3/2017
We have decided to go for trailer option because of the lower cost of the unit when purchasing and most likely no insurance payments during the year.
From the legal entities the "micro-enterprise" sounds now most interesting, more legal investigations needs to be done.


===Mobile Unit===
===Mobile Unit===
Line 29: Line 34:


===Legal Law Entity===
===Legal Law Entity===
To start a legal entity which would allow for selling of probiotic drinks and foods and possibly alcoholic beverages "Educative Non Profit Organization" seems as most easy way. Another bit more difficult but still probably doable option would be becoming officially a "farmer", selling alcoholic beverages would be again more complicated.  
To start a legal entity which would allow for producing and selling of probiotic drinks and foods and possibly alcoholic beverages "Educative Non Profit Organization" seems as most easy way. Another bit more difficult but still probably doable option would be becoming officially a "farmer", selling alcoholic beverages would be again more complicated. Third option which is quite new but maybe actually very feasible is [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-entreprise micro-entreprise] structure.


Both options needs to be investigated and I wonder if I could ask my "language school" for help as part of my employment project, that would help very much. It is close to certain that I will need a help from local French person if I want to be able to make and sell alcoholic beverages.
All options needs to be investigated, I hope to collaborate on this project with my school which objective should be to prepare me for the French job market - either as employee or self-employed, at least that is what I assume. I've met with owner of Koko Foods who is running two food trailers and he recommended me micro-entreprise structure because of several reasons because of variety of reasons which will be discussed later.


* Educational Non Profit Organization
* Educational Non Profit Organization
Line 46: Line 51:


===Legal Processing and Vending set up===
===Legal Processing and Vending set up===
To be able to legally sell variety of produced drinks&foods, both properly licensed production facility and vending point may be needed. If educational non profit scheme is used, it may be quite simple to full fill the requirements, for production and sale of alcohol it may be more complicated.
To be able to legally sell variety of produced drinks&foods, both properly licensed production facility and vending point may be needed. If educational non profit scheme is used, it may be quite simple to full fill the requirements, for production and sale of alcohol it may be more complicated.  


===Documentation&links===
===Documentation&links===

Revision as of 08:28, 20 March 2017

This page is dedicated to the project "FermentationMobile" coordinated by Algoldor.

I'm coordinating set up of mobile fermentation center where we can do experimental fermentation, educate people and also it can serve as a legal production and vending point of fermented and other products at variety of events and places. After nearly of decade of brewing around the world I came to conclusion that having mobile base where kvasirs (brewers, fermentors) can do what they love and legally generate money by their activities which they need for their life is fair and sustainable way to promote the fermentation arts&science in long term.

Current Situation

  • 20/3/2017

We have decided to go for trailer option because of the lower cost of the unit when purchasing and most likely no insurance payments during the year. From the legal entities the "micro-enterprise" sounds now most interesting, more legal investigations needs to be done.

Mobile Unit

There are two main possibilities to move around easily at the moment. One is a truck option the second is trailer option. They have both advantages and disadvantages.

Truck option:

  • Advantages:
    • mobile by itself, all in one
    • easier to park and manage at the locations
    • lower gas consumption - compared to car and trailer option it should consume less fuel
    • may be easier to adapt/rebuild if the "box car" version is used
  • Disadvantages
    • more expensive - €6 000 - 8 000 cost for reasonable vehicle
    • car insurance and road tax has to be paid even when not used

Trailer option:

  • Advantages
    • €500-1000 for basic frame therefore much cheaper than truck to buy and also importantly probably no tax or lower tax needs to be paid when not in use later on
  • Disadvantages
    • can not be moved without a car
    • harder to manage at the location
    • higher fuel consumption of whole set up compared to the truck
    • the weight limit may be an issue, especially if 750 kg is the top without need for special type of license, for bigger events like SHA2017 where around 1000 l or more of drinks may be needed it is severe limitation
    • may be harder to build up on the wheel base
    • if higher weight limit is needed getting specific car to move it may be necessary

Legal Law Entity

To start a legal entity which would allow for producing and selling of probiotic drinks and foods and possibly alcoholic beverages "Educative Non Profit Organization" seems as most easy way. Another bit more difficult but still probably doable option would be becoming officially a "farmer", selling alcoholic beverages would be again more complicated. Third option which is quite new but maybe actually very feasible is micro-entreprise structure.

All options needs to be investigated, I hope to collaborate on this project with my school which objective should be to prepare me for the French job market - either as employee or self-employed, at least that is what I assume. I've met with owner of Koko Foods who is running two food trailers and he recommended me micro-entreprise structure because of several reasons because of variety of reasons which will be discussed later.

  • Educational Non Profit Organization
    • the whole legal procedure since applying till being able to operate should take around one month
    • accounting system should be very simple
    • from the profit - no direct wages can be paid to "founder/operator" (details has to be researched)
    • from the profit - it is possible to pay variety of expenses like ingredients, fermentation equipment, fuel etc.
  • Farmer
    • land would have to be bought or rather rented, minimum size has to be researched, for the baker for example it is around 3 hectares.

Some explanation of the options here http://www.expatica.com/fr/employment/How-to-set-up-a-small-business-or-become-self-employed-in-France_445986.html

Legal Processing and Vending set up

To be able to legally sell variety of produced drinks&foods, both properly licensed production facility and vending point may be needed. If educational non profit scheme is used, it may be quite simple to full fill the requirements, for production and sale of alcohol it may be more complicated.

Documentation&links

Info how to set up of small business in France

example of horse trailer, double wheel, with base of course and it looks like decent frame for €450, Netherlands.